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		<title>Tolerance and love &#8211; A few more thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Barrows</dc:creator>
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Why can&#8217;t we all just agree to disagree?  Why do we have to fight and argue about our beliefs? I&#8217;m not asking people to like each other, just that we not fight all the time.
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<p>Why can&#8217;t we all just agree to disagree?  Why do we have to fight and argue about our beliefs? I&#8217;m not asking people to like each other, just that we not fight all the time.</p>
<p>On my other blog, I posted a <a href="http://www.whatjamiefound.com/2007/09/04/cymatics-demonstration-using-salt/" title="Cymatics: Demonstration using salt">video demonstrating cymatics.</a> I thought the shapes and patterns generated by the sound waves, were pretty cool. Obviously other people agreed with me because it started getting a lot of hits. And then it got <a href="http://www.stumbleupon.com/">stumbled</a>, and I started getting thousands of hits. That&#8217;s a good thing, right?</p>
<p>At some point, someone posted a comment about the wonders of God&#8217;s creation. basically praising God and expressing amazement at what He has built into his world. Someone else posted a similar comment. There was no attack, or condemnation of others in either of the posts. Just some simple praise for God.</p>
<p>Shortly after that, the conversation went downhill. Someone else posted a comment attacking the first two. Saying that there was no god, and that the earlier commenter&#8217;s were stupid for ascribing to god what was nothing but simple science. I posted a rebuttal to his comment, telling him that everyone has a right to their beliefs, and that there was no cause for attacking them when they were simply expressing their beliefs.</p>
<p>After that, the comments attacking Christianity and anyone who believed in God, got a lot worse. Since it is my blog, I get to moderate the comments. Which is really a good thing. Because I deleted a lot of the comments that were using seriously excessive amounts of language and were saying very nasty things that were just uncalled for. My rule on comments is if they are using excessive language or are comparing other people to various body parts, they get deleted. I also don&#8217;t like advertisements, <img src='http://www.theonlinerant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All of this made me feel like the atheists, who were the ones doing most of the attacking, were simply intolerant and very much hypocrites. After all, it is usually atheists in the media and in colleges that are preaching and pushing tolerance. And now here it&#8217;s the atheists that are attacking Christians for simply expressing their beliefs.</p>
<p>I was feeling like I was so much better than they were. Saying to myself, &#8220;Christians wouldn&#8217;t stoop to that level.&#8221; But then I realized how stupid that thought was. We Christians aren&#8217;t really any better at this than anyone else. We may not preach tolerance, but we do preach love. And what are most of the mainstream Christian groups doing? They are actively hating and attacking anyone who believes differently.</p>
<p>Jesus said that the <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2022:38-40;&amp;version=31;" title="Matthew 22:38-40">second greatest commandment</a>, second only to loving God, is to love your neighbor. You&#8217;re supposed to love him/her the way you love yourself. How can you show love to a person that you are attacking? God loved us so much that he let us kill his son! And that is the example we are supposed to be following.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I&#8217;m not saying our differences should be ignored. or that they should be glossed over. Beliefs are important, and should not be abandoned in the interest of love or unity. But standing up for what you believe, does not mean you have to attack others. There is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree. No matter what side you are on and no matter what the belief may be.</p>
<p>Towards the end of the comment thread, many people started posting comments that seemed to echo some of what I&#8217;m saying here. We can just agree to disagree, without having to attack each other. I just wish more people had that view.</p>
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		<title>What is Tolerance?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Barrows</dc:creator>
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What is tolerance? Am I tolerant of other peoples beliefs? These are questions that have been running through my head since I had a disturbing conversation with a friend of mine. She accused me of being intolerant because I told her that I believed her belief system was wrong. The accusation caught me completely by [...]]]></description>
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<p>What is tolerance? Am I tolerant of other peoples beliefs? These are questions that have been running through my head since I had a disturbing conversation with a friend of mine. She accused me of being intolerant because I told her that I believed her belief system was wrong. The accusation caught me completely by surprise.<br />
To understand why I was so surprised, I need to give you a little background about myself and about the conversation we were having. I&#8217;m an extremely non-confrontational person. So unless I know the person very well, I avoid having conversations with people about religion, politics, and belief systems. I avoid them like the plague. I have definite opinions and beliefs, but am much happier agreeing to disagree with someone than I am arguing them with. If I think that voicing my beliefs to a person will cause conflict, I usually just stay quiet.</p>
<p>So back to this particular person who thinks I am intolerant. I&#8217;ve known this person for several years. She has a rather forceful personality and is just about the opposite from me when it comes to conflict and voicing her opinions. So needless to say, I&#8217;ve known almost as long as I&#8217;ve known her, that her opinions and beliefs were strongly in conflict with mine.</p>
<p>Anyway, she and a few other people were having a discussion about the existence of God and hell. Everyone present, including her, knows that I&#8217;m a Christian. But I was mostly keeping out of the discussion. Unfortunately this time, I was not allowed to keep out of it. She started pressing me about whether I believed non-Christians would really go to hell. I didn&#8217;t really want to tell her yes, because I knew that would upset her. So I tried to deflect the question, but she wouldn&#8217;t let me. So I finally told her that yes I did believe that. She then said the following, &#8220;Well I don&#8217;t believe that. Are you saying you think I&#8217;m wrong?&#8221; Since I had already put myself into hot water with her, I figured I might as well go all the way. So I told her that yes, I thought that her belief was wrong. That is when I she accused me of being intolerant of her beliefs.</p>
<p>So back to my original question. What is tolerance? And am I intolerant?<br />
Well, I don&#8217;t really think I&#8217;m &#8220;intolerant.&#8221; I strongly believe that everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe. I don&#8217;t think anyone should, or even can, be forced to believe in something that is contrary to what they &#8220;believe.&#8221; I have no problem accepting people who believe differently from me, as evidenced by the fact that I&#8217;ve been friends with this person for several years. So why did she tell me that I&#8217;m intolerant?</p>
<p>I think it is because she, and much of our current culture, has redefined the meaning of tolerance. Tolerance to me means that I put up with and &#8220;tolerate&#8221; beliefs I don&#8217;t like, and that I think are wrong. In her mind that isn&#8217;t true tolerance. She has equated tolerance of beliefs with acceptance and equality of beliefs. In her mind, in order for me to tolerate her beliefs, I must also accept that they are equally as correct as mine. Which is impossible. Since they are contradictory, they cannot both be right. One or the other must be wrong.</p>
<p>I personally am incapable of taking that strange middle ground that she wants me to. A place where somehow both views are right at the same time. I simply can&#8217;t do that. I either need to abandon my belief and take hers, or I need to believe that her belief is wrong. One or the other is wrong. I&#8217;ve taken the position that her belief is wrong, but I&#8217;ve also taken the position that she has the right to be wrong. Does that make me intolerant?</p>
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